tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post3602747279364333967..comments2023-10-29T03:23:32.477-04:00Comments on Independent Frum Thinker: Appreciating RabbeimIndependent Frum Thinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-50421922988318165142010-03-23T01:58:44.863-04:002010-03-23T01:58:44.863-04:00Just wanted to say hello someplace. Found [url=htt...Just wanted to say hello someplace. Found [url=http://www.google.com/ncr]you guys through google[/url]. Hope to contribute more soon!<br />-PoollicyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-62339238723629101672007-02-20T00:22:00.000-05:002007-02-20T00:22:00.000-05:00SephardiLady –It’s definitely a problem. Much more...SephardiLady –<BR/>It’s definitely a problem. Much more respect and appreciation has to be shown.<BR/>Frankly, if it won’t be taken seriously I think it’s better off not being taught at all.Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-16895020786128400752007-02-19T14:24:00.000-05:002007-02-19T14:24:00.000-05:00More needs to be written about the situation of th...More needs to be written about the situation of the Limudei Chol staff. The behavior in some of our schools is deplorable and these teachers get virtually no input or appreciation, not from the students and even worst not from the administration. You couldn't pay me enough to ever try teaching any general studies class again in a Yeshiva type school, although I would be willing to try again at a more modern school since my experiences subbing there were not negative.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-54110777102967063362007-02-16T13:48:00.000-05:002007-02-16T13:48:00.000-05:00BubbyT –Absolutely! Morohs deserve our utmost resp...BubbyT –<BR/>Absolutely! Morohs deserve our utmost respect and appreciation.<BR/>Thank you for sharing with us your personal perspective and advice.Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-45555713407184764092007-02-15T06:51:00.000-05:002007-02-15T06:51:00.000-05:00I am both a morah for the last 30+ years and own a...I am both a morah for the last 30+ years and own a gift store. It is very interesting, when selling mishloach manos that many people come in, order a nice big one for the rebbe and then a really cheap one for the morah. Moros work pretty hard also, investing lots of time, energy, in many cases their own money to "impart knowledge, love of Hashem and His Torah, joy in being a Yid, and proper values of Derech Eretz and Middos." all for low salaries. Please treat them well also!! <BR/>At the end of the year...write notes of thanks to your rebbe, morah, even the principal. And it would be a good idea to have your child write a thank you. Much appreciated is if you specify things taught or things done during the year so the morah/rebbe/teacher realizes that this is just not a "form letter."<BR/>one final thought...it's never too late to write a thank you note. I teach 3rd grade and once got a letter from a 12th grader right before graduation, thanking me for giving her a good foundation in learning chumash!!BubbyThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00737396125721902391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-23093862237659892442007-02-11T23:59:00.001-05:002007-02-11T23:59:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-29986574607148526592007-02-11T23:59:00.000-05:002007-02-11T23:59:00.000-05:00Jacob Da Jew -What a breath of fresh air! If every...Jacob Da Jew -<BR/>What a breath of fresh air! If everyone out there was so sensitive to monetary issues like you, the world would be a far better place.<BR/>Thanks for the hat-tip.Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-59991202586134173742007-02-11T10:17:00.001-05:002007-02-11T10:17:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Jacob Da Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03271564852032891769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-54909983440434453612007-02-11T10:17:00.000-05:002007-02-11T10:17:00.000-05:00I gave you a hat-tip on my most recent post.I gave you a hat-tip on my most recent post.Jacob Da Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03271564852032891769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-66586041198289937672007-02-09T14:36:00.000-05:002007-02-09T14:36:00.000-05:00I've been reading your blog for some time, very we...I've been reading your blog for some time, very well written. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for all the comments on mine.<BR/><BR/>When I was in high school(not a yeshiva), I did not have money to pay tuition. But I always kept a cheshbon in my head that I owe them money and more than that, a Hakaras HaTov.<BR/><BR/>So now I am a bit more financially stable, I send them tidy sums every so often and also show my love and appreciation to the school for being there for me. <BR/><BR/>With regards to Rabbonim, you are very right.Jacob Da Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03271564852032891769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-68248288115048101822007-02-09T12:46:00.000-05:002007-02-09T12:46:00.000-05:00Hasid_letz –In my opinion appreciating Rabbeim (an...Hasid_letz –<BR/>In my opinion appreciating Rabbeim (and Teachers) is a very worthy outlet for this emotional capital. Hence, it is worth the “cost of opportunity”.<BR/><BR/>Megapixel –<BR/>I’m sure you meant that all along. I was just emphasizing my point.<BR/><BR/>Lakewood Ventor –<BR/>Thank you.<BR/><BR/>Shmaya –<BR/>Good point, but please read my comment to hasid_letz where I write how it is acceptable even in economic terms.<BR/><BR/>Jessica –<BR/>Thank you. My point exactly.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous (Melamed in Brooklyn) –<BR/>Yes, most of here do feel your pain and are learning to appreciate Melamdim even more.<BR/>Thank you for expressing your various pointers, suggestions and feelings. I agree with everything wholeheartedly!<BR/>In general, I think it was very important to read a Melamed’s perspective. We could all benefit from hearing it from someone “in the field”. (I guess my Erev Shabbos phone call idea wasn’t to practical, and thanks for pointing that out.)<BR/>Please feel free to continue sharing, as you write that you have more to say.<BR/><BR/>Yanky –<BR/>Thank you for the reference.Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-30200820569924654622007-02-09T01:46:00.001-05:002007-02-09T01:46:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-60610387463949968562007-02-09T00:14:00.000-05:002007-02-09T00:14:00.000-05:00I am writing here as a Melamed in Brooklyn.It is h...I am writing here as a Melamed in Brooklyn.<BR/><BR/>It is heartening to hear that so many people "feel our pain". <BR/><BR/>There is no heter for not paying on time if the mossad has the money. If they don't have the money, then they can't pay on time. So then they can they take loans which starts a whole slippery slide. There is a lomdus at work also: If Reuven hires Shimon to work for him then Reuven has the chiyuv of "b'yomo titen s'charo". However if Reuven hires Shimon to work for Levi, then Levi does not have an outright chiyuv of paying bo bayom because the workers were hired through a shaliach. Yeshivos are sh'lichim and we, the melamdim are doing the Ribbono Shel Olam's work<BR/><BR/><BR/>Where I work salaries are about 2 1/2 months late and it is extremely frustrating. It would be intolerable if the cash was in the bank or if the money was being wasted. But b'derech Klall that is not true. The money is simply not there. Our stress level is extremely high and there is nothing we can do, it is ossur to go on strike or take any other work action. So ain lanu lismoch elah al avinu shebashomayim.<BR/><BR/>The only solution for this problem is for pressure to come from the parents to the mosdos demanding a living wage for melamdim. Parents have the right to demand the very best from their melamdim and the talmidim deserve it. If the melamdim are facing so many pressures it is much more difficult to be focused as much on talmidim as we should be.<BR/><BR/>Melamdim work from 9 until 2 or 3. What should they be doing after 3? They should be learning themselves, developing into even greater talmidei chachomim. The reality is that most melamdim after their first job have to run to a second job, whether it be teaching limudei chol or selling insurance. It is a shocking indictment of our kehillah that we can't pay them enough to do let them grow in their own ruchniyus (for our chilren's benefit). Melamdim are certainly deserving of a kollel check for an afternoon seder. There are some communities where there Kollelim for mechanchim. Such an idea is certainly deserving of support.<BR/><BR/>Once again - it is up to the parent body to demand better for their children's Rabbbayim.<BR/><BR/>Some thought on showing Hakaros Hatov.<BR/>1) An erev Shabbos phone call is a nice idea but very impractical. We all know what a Yiddishe house is like erev Shabbos. Who has time to deal with 20 phone calls. The thought might be appreciated but it is impractical.<BR/><BR/>2)Showing appropriate hakaras hatov on Channukah and Purim. Sure cash is nice but we understand that not everyone can afford to tip all of their children's Rabbeyim with $50 or $100. Whatever you can do with a well written note is wonderful. For example, one year I received on Channukah a cheap flashligh with the words "HAPPY HANNUKAH" from one family. If that's all they could afford then fine but a nice short note expressing some Hakaras Hatov would have been more appreciated. OTOH a kollel family gave $20 and I know that they didn't have more but their hakaras hatov came through with their small gift. S'fardim don't have a mesorah of tipping on Chanuukah and Purim so we don't expect it. So when it does come it is especially appreciated.<BR/><BR/>3)Channukah and Purim is nice but please remember Pesach is right after Purim. A case of wine or grape juice or a voucher for a local grocery is sure to be muchly appreciated.<BR/><BR/>I have a lot more to say but I won't. <BR/><BR/>Have a Gebentche' ShabbosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-38098363963290153602007-02-08T20:58:00.000-05:002007-02-08T20:58:00.000-05:00very well-put; I totally agree - can't believe the...very well-put; I totally agree - can't believe the millions we throw at some individuals while our educators are soooooooooo underappreciated!Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14201695581058540518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-18719876432013877842007-02-08T13:12:00.000-05:002007-02-08T13:12:00.000-05:00hasid_letz; you are applying your economics knowl...hasid_letz; you are applying your economics knowledge and opinion to a discussion regarding ethics, and what is proper for jews to do. <BR/>only out of love,<BR/>shmayaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-2293285025399042132007-02-07T00:40:00.000-05:002007-02-07T00:40:00.000-05:00agreed!agreed!ggggghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651580070374174659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-7817803750775959932007-02-07T00:08:00.000-05:002007-02-07T00:08:00.000-05:00okayokayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-48695090152071828432007-02-06T09:40:00.000-05:002007-02-06T09:40:00.000-05:00Like other material goods, appreciation for others...Like other material goods, appreciation for others (Rebeiim included) is also not available in unlimited quantities. <br /><br />Doling out additional emotional capital in one area will cost one in other areas, which is referred to as the 'cost of opportunity.'hasid_letzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549826471480015817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-89218773645231364592007-02-05T23:26:00.000-05:002007-02-05T23:26:00.000-05:00Megapixel -
I would venture to say "is worth MORE ...Megapixel -<br />I would venture to say "is worth MORE than his weight in gold"!!<br /><br />Chaverah -<br />Thank you.<br />Obviously, packing a good punch into the first line grabs people's attention.Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-29865722581435917732007-02-05T22:48:00.000-05:002007-02-05T22:48:00.000-05:00you say:"Rabbeim are overworked, underpaid, and mo...you say:"Rabbeim are overworked, underpaid, and most of all underappreciated"<br />very good first line that grabbed my attention immediatly! never really look at it so bluntly. I completely agree with you.<br />good post!chaverahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093749688256362896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-21238523391803916442007-02-05T22:41:00.000-05:002007-02-05T22:41:00.000-05:00a good rebbe/teacher is worth his weight in gold.
...a good rebbe/teacher is worth his weight in gold.<br />they deserve good pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-87822147967003581872007-02-05T22:02:00.000-05:002007-02-05T22:02:00.000-05:00Loan –
I agree. It may be the unfortunate reality ...Loan –<br />I agree. It may be the unfortunate reality of the world we live in, and it is a real shame. We should each try our best to get off the “financial treadmill” once in a while, to better be able to appreciate our lives, families, and all the other wonderful things Hashem has given us.<br /><br />Steve –<br />I don’t know of any Heter. I would guess that they would consider themselves an Oneis, unable to pay. Obviously, if they could pay and don’t, it is terrible.<br /><br />Shmaya –<br />1 – I agree with you wholeheartedly, and that may be the subject of a future post.<br />2 – Honestly, I’m not sure. I guess the more simple-minded the parents are, the more likely for them to show more respect. However, if that is the case, it’s just plain wrong. Just because a parent is learned shouldn’t detract one iota from his respect of the child’s Rebbe. The Rebbe is teaching and training the child in our beautiful heritage. How can we dare not respect him?<br /><br />Hasid_letz –<br />You may be right. But we should have more respect and appreciation to go above and beyond what the market dictates.<br /><br />Rafi G –<br />Very possibly. But at least we can show our appreciation in other ways.<br /><br />IA GN –<br />Well, we just developed a new theory for mid-winter vacation. To allow their parents to realize how much effort goes into teaching their children.<br />As for Shmaya’s comment on changing priorities in raising funds; I think that will be the subject of a future post.<br /><br />Frumwithquestions –<br />Absolutely. But the actions of a few shouldn’t ruin our perception of the many who are wonderful and more.<br /><br />Anonymous Feb 5, 2:52 –<br />Thank you, but I need to see quite alot more to agree with your assessment.<br /><br />Davidonthelake –<br />I agree with you totally. I only chose Rabbeim, and not English teachers, since they are devoted to teaching AND spiritual development. However, English teachers too deserve a lot more credit and appreciation than they are currently receiving, and that is even without them dealing with “abuse” from the children.<br /><br />Anonymous Feb 5, 11:40 –<br />Please see my comment to Davidonthelake.<br /><br />Shpitzle –<br />Thank you!Independent Frum Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628105897174690793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-86563643199686779442007-02-05T21:30:00.000-05:002007-02-05T21:30:00.000-05:00Once again, great post. Your attitude is inspirin...Once again, great post. Your attitude is inspiring.Shpitzle Shtrimpkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13638159846862618503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-62772957032211492622007-02-05T11:40:00.000-05:002007-02-05T11:40:00.000-05:00Lets not limt this only to rebbeim.Teachers in Bai...Lets not limt this only to rebbeim.Teachers in Bais Yakoov also deserve major credit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7582251327013123745.post-57008061159219898742007-02-05T10:50:00.000-05:002007-02-05T10:50:00.000-05:00oh I agree with you...
I don't know how some of th...oh I agree with you...<br />I don't know how some of these rebbeim do it..<br /><br />and English teachers as well<br /><br />I remember sitting in 7th grade one day while the class was harrasing this poor fellow..teacher..throwing things at him..sticking things on his chair..wondering<br />How much could this guy possibly be getting paid to withstand such abuse??David_on_the_Lakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16755322374991538262noreply@blogger.com